ARC TBC Mary Ann Lawton baptism and marriage?

[gardener]

Hi

This Mary Ann was mother to Jane Severns. Jane's birth place is given as Soho, Warwickshire in the 1891 census, but she was actually born in Walsall so that is a bit of a puzzle.

However, her mother was given as born Birmingham in both the 1851 and 1861 census, and I wondered where exactly in Birmingham that was.

Here https://bcconnections.tribalpages.com/t ... ver=555730

There is this possibility in 1841

1841
Registration District: Walsall
Sub-registration District: The Borough
Piece: 983
Book: 3
Folio: 27
Page Number: 1
Saml Waklin 37 Y
Sussanah Wakelin 4 Mo Y
Mary Anne Lawton 11 N
Jane Lawton 16 N [not convinced about the 16, see later]

Susannah's birth is:
WAKELIN, SUSANNA LAWTON
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in THE WALSALL UNION Volume 17 Page 261


And there is this
Name: Susanna Wakeland
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 18 Sep 1841
Baptism Place: Saint Matthew,Walsall,Stafford,England
Father:
Samuel Wakeland
Mother:
Jane

I think Jane's age should be 36, not 16. She does not seem to have married Samuel, but after he died she married a James Johns.

Walsall
St Matthew
Burial date 27 Apr 1842
Burial person forename Samuel
Burial person surname WAKELIN
Person age 40
Burial person abode Rushall St


Name: Jane Lawton
Marriage Age: Full age
Record Type: Marriage
Residence Place: Rushall Street, Walsall
Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1842
Marriage Place: Rushall, St Michael, Staffordshire, England
Father:
Owen Lawton
Spouse:
James Johns

In 1851 Jane Johns and son Samuel were here, transcription very mangled:
New Street, Walsall
Samuel Newbell 21 [Venables]
Harriett Newbell 22
Ellen Newbell 2
June Newbell 5 Mo
Jane John 16 [Jane Johns mother 46 shoe maker's wife Birmingham]
Susan John 8 [Samuel Johns]
Elizabeth W Sanders 23

There is a baptism for Jane
Name: Jane Lorton
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 May 1806
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Martin, Warwickshire, England
Father: Owen Lorton
Mother: Charlotte Lorton

no address but another entry for ? a brother has one
Name: John Lorton
Baptism Date: 10 Mar 1814
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Father: Owen Lorton Livery Street, Warwickshire Militia
Mother: Charlotte Lorton


Owen and Charlotte were in Walsall by 1841

1841
New Street, Walsall
Owen Lawton 50 N
Charlotte Lawton 50 Y
Charlotte Lawton 12 N
Elizabeth Lawton 16 N

1851
New Street, Walsall (page before Jane Johns and the Venables family)
Owen Lawter 64 Birmingham
Sharlott Lawton 63 Stoke
Elizabeth Lawton 21 gdau Birmingham
Sarah Lawton 12 gdau Walsall


Can anyone find details of Mary Ann's marriage?
Marriages Sep 1847
Lawton Mary Ann Walsall 17 267
SEVERNE George Walsall 17 267

or a baptism for her to see how connects to Jane?

[Northern Lass]

If we cant find the marriage online I will send for it.
I hadn't researched any of this
thanks Gardener that does look like Mary ann.

[kdwoodie]

I cant figure out the relationship but the 1851 census for Venables i have found this

Wednesbury
St Bartholomew
Parish Register
Register entry number 99
Marriage date 01 Aug 1848
Samuel VENABLES 19 Bachelor Coach Smith Wednesbury William VENABLES Spectacle Maker
Charlotte LAWTON 19 Spinster Wednesbury Thomas LAWTON Brass Founder
Witness 1 Catherine LINBRIDGE
Witness 2 Thomas VENABLES
Notes Bride & Groom Signed with X

VENABLES, ELLEN LAWTON
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 282

VENABLES, JANE LAWTON
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in WALSALL Volume 17 Page 261

[gardener]

I cant figure out the relationship but the 1851 census for Venables i have found this

Thanks! It is hard to sort out relationships

[kdwoodie]

Not found Mary

Name: Owen Lawton
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 24 Mar 1788
Baptism Place: St. Philip's, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father:
Thomas Lawton
Mother:
Ann
FHL Film Number: 813717
Reference ID: yrs 1775-1789

Name: Owen Laughton
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 20 May 1805
Marriage Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Spouse:
Charlotte Barker
FHL Film Number: 421617

[kdwoodie]

Elizabeth Lawton, on the 1851 census marries John Stone 24 Dec 1854 St. Philip Birmingham image on Ancestry,Transcribed as Loston father is Wynn looks like Owen on image.
Mary A and William Loston/Lawton witness'.
Can someone check and see what they think please.

I think Charlotte and Elizabeth are also Janes children although I can't see amy baptisms.

[gardener]

Elizabeth Lawton, on the 1851 census marries John Stone 24 Dec 1854 St. Philip Birmingham image on Ancestry,Transcribed as Loston father is Wynn looks like Owen on image.
Mary A and William Loston/Lawton witness'.
Can someone check and see what they think please.

I think Charlotte and Elizabeth are also Janes children although I can't see amy baptisms.

Good catch! Yes to Owen, Mary A and William. I think the name was being spelled Lorton

[gardener]

Name: John Lorton
Baptism Date: 10 Mar 1814
Baptism Place: Birmingham, St Paul, Warwickshire, England
Father: Owen Lorton Livery Street, Warwickshire Militia
Mother: Charlotte Lorton


1841
New Street, Walsall
Owen Lawton 50 N
Charlotte Lawton 50 Y
Charlotte Lawton 12 N
Elizabeth Lawton 16 N

1851
New Street, Walsall (page before Jane Johns and the Venables family)
Owen Lawter 64 Birmingham
Sharlott Lawton 63 Stoke
Elizabeth Lawton 21 gdau Birmingham
Sarah Lawton 12 gdau Walsall

1841
New Street, Walsall (next but one to Owen)
John Lawton 25 metal worker Y
Ann Lawton 25 Y
Sarah Lawton 2 Y

Probably the same?

[kdwoodie]

Freereg
Rushall
St Michael the Archangel
Parish Register
Register entry number 451
Marriage date 02 Aug 1847
John LAWTON full age bachelor Brass dresser St James St Ryecroft Owen LAWTON Brass dresser
Ann GENDERS full age spinster Servant St James St Ryecroft William GENDERS Schoolmaster
Witness 1 James LIVESEY
Witness 2 Mary LIVESEY
Notes All sign except groom

[Northern Lass]

Trying to get my head around this added in some on Bcc.

So Mary Lawton has father Owen Lawton and mother Charlotte Baker.

so who is that Thomas Lawton is that Owens father?

and the Charlotte Lawton that marries venebles is her father not Thomas lawton?

[gardener]

Trying to get my head around this added in some on Bcc.

So Mary Lawton has father Owen Lawton and mother Charlotte Baker.

so who is that Thomas Lawton is that Owens father?

and the Charlotte Lawton that marries venebles is her father not Thomas lawton?

Owen Lawton bapt. 24 March 1788 St Philip’s Birmingham, parents Thomas and Ann; married Charlotte Barker 20 May 1805 All Saints West Bromwich (Owen Laughton)

Children of Owen Lorton/Lawton/Laughton and Charlotte
1) Jane bpt. Jane Lorton 30 May 1806, St Martin, Birmingham, married James Johns 6 June 1842
2) John bpt. John Lorton 10 March 1814, married Ann Genders 2 Aug 1847, St Michael the Archangel, Rushall [note: also baptised St Philip’s born 4 Mar 1814, bapt. 15 Apr 1816, mother Sarah, father Owen, same address]
3) Thomas b. abt. 1808, married Martha Slater 3 July 1826 St Philip’s Birmingham (first son named William Owen b. 28 Nov 1826, bpt. 11 Jun 1829 St Martin Birmingham). Died 1856 aged 48, 1851 census aged 43?
4) Elizabeth b. abt. 1826, married John Stone 24 Dec 1854 St Philip’s Birmingham (father Owen, witnesses Mary A and William Lorton) Note: 1861 census born 1827; 1871 census b. 1826 – Jane Severns is in household. Think this is Elizabeth from the 1841 census, NOT gdau Elizabeth from 1851 census.

Not sure if Thomas is the son of Owen or not. Can only find a baptism for Thomas son of a Thomas and Ann. He could be the father of Charlotte

Charlotte Lawton b. abt. 1830, father Thomas Lawton brass founder (married Samuel Venables 1 Aug 1848, in 1851 census with Jane but named Harriett)


I think that Mary Ann Lawton (mother of Jane Severns) was probably the daughter of Jane Lawton and grand dau of Owen. But can't find a baptism or marriage for her online.

In 1871 Jane Severns was in the same household as Elizabeth Stone (daughter of Owen Lawton) and Charlotte Venables (daughter of Thomas Lawton according to her marriage certificate)

1871 Census R10-2965/118
The Foreign of Walsall,Walsall,St Matthews
1 Vicarage Terrace
John Stone,head,m,38,bridle cutter. Employs 1 man 2 boys 10 cutters(?),Staffs,Walsall
Elizabeth Stone,wife,m,45,Warwicks,Birmingham
William A Stone,son,14,scholar,Staff,Walsall
James Stone,son,9,scholar,Staff,Walsall
William Stone,son,7,scholar,Staff,Walsall
Thomas Stone,son,5,scholar,Staffs,Walsall
Jane Severns,serv,13,domestic servant,Staffs,Walsall
Charlotte Venables,visitor,mar,42,Warwicks,Birmingham
Frank Venables,visitor,7 months,Staffs,Walsall1 Vicarage Terrace


Jane Lawton (dau Owen) and Charlotte (dau of Thomas) were in the same household in 1851, so the family obviously stayed in touch over the years.

Walsall 1851
Samuel Venables 21
Harriett Venables 22
Ellen Venables 2
Jane Venables 5 Mo
Jane Johns 46
Samuel John 8
Elizabeth W Sanders 23


It did cross my mind that if Mary Ann was the illegitimate daughter of Jane, then perhaps Charlotte was too. But obviously that is speculation!

[Northern Lass]

Thanks for all this info Gardener and kdw and thanks kdw for adding for me.

I will move this now to brickwalls.

[BC Wench]

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