Help with great great great grandparents

[Tonyg]

Tonyg if you would like your username added to Joseph Whitehouse guest on Bcc let me know and
I can ask the owner of Bcc if that is ok.
Then if anyone connects to that line they can contact you via this forum.

Yes please. Thanks NL

[Northern Lass]

Ok added in your username here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =314416898

Just to clarify...why was there a gravestone then in Ebbw vale?
was it maybe a monument?

As surely the bodies weren't there?

[Tonyg]

Ok added in your username here
https://www.tribalpages.com/tribe/brows ... =314416898

Just to clarify...why was there a gravestone then in Ebbw vale?
was it maybe a monument?

As surely the bodies weren't there?

I have today sent an email to Dudley Archives to ask if they can clarify. I can definitely confirm that all five named were born, lived and died in Dudley. I don’t know if it’s a lone case or whether there are more. I don’t have access to Ancestry so cannot confirm.

It’s a real mystery.

[Northern Lass]

So do you have the full info you can type in for me on that death certif for Mary that you have and I can add that to Bcc.

The deaths could do with being verified.
1. John Guest...............should be in Dudley poss St Thomas?
Name: John Geast
Gender: Male
Death Age: 14
Birth Date: 1809
Death Date: abt 1823
Burial Date: 11 Oct 1823
Burial Place: Dudley, Worcester, England
FHL Film Number: 350496
Reference ID: P 261, #2088
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Is this Thomas the father... on free reg.?
Dudley St Thomas
Register entry number 155
Burial date 20 Sep 1824
Burial person forename Thomas
Burial person surname GUEST
Person age 60
Burial person abode Dudley
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Isaac Guest
Age at Death (in years):
GUEST, ISAAC 30
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in DUDLEY UNION Volume 18 Page 245

and free reg.
Dudley
Church name (Links to more information) St Thomas
Register type (Links to more information) Unspecified
Burial date 22 Jan 1845
Burial person forename Isaac
Burial person surname GUEST
Person age 30
Burial person abode Dudley
Notes Died 16 Jan
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Free reg burial for Zephaniah.
.Dudley
Church name (Links to more information) St Thomas
Register type (Links to more information) Unspecified
Register entry number 540
Burial date 11 Feb 1847
Burial person forename Zephaniah
Burial person surname GUEST
Person age 35y5m
Burial person abode Dudley
Notes Died 6 Feb

[Tonyg]

The Thomas Guest burial on FREEREG on 20 September 1824 is definitely by 3 x great grandfather as per the tombstone death date of 15 September 1824. He was aged 60.

The other deaths on the tombstone are definitely the ones you’ve identified on FREEREG.

Mary death certificate info.
Died 3 August 1866, Abberley House, Himley Road, Dudley.
This was the residence of eldest son Thomas b1797
Age 93 years
Widow of Thomas Guest, a bricklayer
Cause of death, exhaustion aka extreme age
Informant Ann Parker. Ann Parker was her granddaughter. She was the daughter of Joseph Whitehouse Guest (b1806) my 2 x great grandfather. Ann was born 11/11/1832 and married Jeremiah Parker.

My best estimate for birth of Thomas & Mary is:

Thomas, baptised 23 Oct 1763, St Thomas Dudley.
Mary Whitehouse, baptised 6 Oct 1773 at St Thomas Dudley.

Although the census of 1861 states that Mary was born in Gornal, there are no baptisms of a Mary Whitehouse in that period in the area. Lower Gornal is right next to Saint Thomas in Dudley so it looks the best match.

[Tonyg]

Just going thru this

so where is that Ebbw valley info from?

so did they die there and were moved to Dudley?...or just the headstones?

This is the reply I’ve received from Dudley Archives.

“I hope this may be of some additional interest to you. I have had the opportunity to look at the Records of the Removal of Graves and Tombstones, 1601 - 1980 as it appears on Ancestry and have attached relevant pages above for your information.

The page that lists the Guest family is numbered '13' and is also image '13' on the filmstrip that appears at the bottom of the page on Ancestry. The first image on the film is the cover of the Record of Graves, Section C, produced by the Public Works Dept of the Ebbw Vale UDC however, images 12 - 18 show what appears to be a council copy of the M.I's of St Thomas's, Dudley in particular regard to the reburial of bodies in the borough cemetery following the King Street improvements. Included is a plan showing where the bodies were reburied, with a larger key that shows grave No.226.

There is no date on the plan and we can offer no explanation at this time as to why the Ebbw Vale and Dudley documents were together.

So it’s looks like the records were simply mixed up somehow.

[gardener]

At least that makes more sense! What a relief

[Northern Lass]

So does that mean that they weren't ever at ebbw?

[Tonyg]

So does that mean that they weren't ever at ebbw?

That’s correct. It appears that someone has simply added pages 13-18 from the Dudley monument removal and added it after page 12 of Ebbw Vale. Presumably a transcription error by Ancestry?

If merely reinforces what I believe that the Ebbw Vale reference is a red herring but it was extremely useful to me as 2 of the names were my 3 x great grandparents.

[Northern Lass]

right understand
I will sticky this and add and amend what I need to bcc

[Northern Lass]

I will move to brickwalls as you are still after info going back.